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Feedback
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Zoran
2008-10-03 19:36:47 UTC
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I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less feedback
on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my harpin even I
harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).

Thanks, Zi
Eric Stahl
2008-10-03 22:44:12 UTC
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Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less feedback
on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my harpin even I
harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
Hi Zoran!

I'm not at all an expert on this, but there are boxes that can be
placed between the mic and the amp allowing you to adjust for
different ranges of sound i.e. downwards on whatever (higher range)
is feeding back.

There should be something about this in the www.harmonicajam.com
archives - though the main page and the archives are down until later
this weekend while Rick does some maintenance.

-Eric
Mark McDonald
2008-10-04 18:41:15 UTC
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Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Are you sure your amp settings are correct? You should be able to adjust
gain to just below feedback. Treble way down, bass way up. Make sure your
amp is far away from you as possible. PA problems I don't know. I often
play through a PA and never have problems with feedback. Keep the gain down
on whatever channel you are using. Keep trying. Feedback is a very
manageable problem for Harp players.
--
Mark McDonald
http://www.markmcdonaldblues.com
http://www.myspace.com/markmcdonaldblues
SotR
2008-10-05 09:35:47 UTC
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Treble way down, bass way up. <<<<<<
Hmmm, I'll have to try that. I am new to using a mic and amp for harp (new
to harp for that matter). Our new bass player (who replaced me) said turn
the bass way down and treble up. I thought that would cause problems and it
does. We have only had one rehearsal (since I switched off bass) so am
trying everything.
I got a Shure Green Bullet and I really like it. Also a Digitech Digiverb
because I use a MarkBass amp which has no FX at all of course. I also play
acoustic/electric guitar and the amp is just killer for that. I run an A/B
box so I can use the same amp. Only am only playing harp on two songs which
I don't play anything else while, so this set up works great.

SotR
Randy G.
2008-10-14 15:00:24 UTC
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Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
I have been learning about feedback over the last 8 months or so. The
following is just based on what I have done and experienced and I am
not an expert in this area:

If you are playing a microphone through a guitar amplifier it is going
to be a challenge. Most microphones have a high output compared to a
guitar which the amp "expects," so right off you are driving the input
side harder than the amp was designed to handle. To deal with that you
end up using a very low input volume setting on the amp as well as
rolling off the top end using the tone controls of the amp, but all
that combines to limit the quality of the sound you may want. it does
not allow you to drive the input side very hard so you don't get any
crunch. It also presents a VERY narrow band of volume control, or at
least to say, it makes any volume adjustments very touchy.

I went through that with my Genz Benz Black Pearl 30 amplifier. I
began by building an adjustable attenuater- an inline volume control.
Just a box with a potentiometer and two 1/4 jacks in back- one in and
one out. The 3Meg pot was not enough so I added a couple of resistors.
I later added a 500Ohm pot inline so it was like a coarse and fine
adjustment. iirc, I ended up with about 2.5megs of resistance. That
helped and headed me off in the right direction. This was done with
parts from my parts box, so it was just what was on hand.

I then started playing with the input tubes (of course, that is not
possible with solid state amps). You will find that guitar amps tend
to use 12AX7 for the preamp tubes which are high gain. I ended up
switching the second and third phase tubes to a 12AU7 and a 12AT7. I
tried two 12AT's and it was still a bit "hot," but two 12Au's were to
low of an output and I lost volume. With the AU/AT configuration I
was able to eliminate the inline attenuater I built. I am still
experimenting in this area.

I recently picked up some older microphones. In terms of feedback
while maintaining tone, my current favorite is the Astatic 335H-7
which cranks out tons of mix-cutting tone and is very feedback
resistant. I am just finishing building a bullet mike- the body is an
old Turner S22 that had a toasted element. I gutted it and ground the
fins off and the element is going to be an Electrovoice ceramic
element from a model 715.


Randy G.
http://www.EspressoMyEspresso.com

RPM1
2008-10-04 21:23:57 UTC
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Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less feedback
on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my harpin even I
harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
Have you tried a Rocktron Hush pedal. I have one and it has made more
difference than anything else I've tried.

Patrick
John Agosta
2008-10-12 01:38:33 UTC
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Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
I've found that standing about 8 ft to the side of my amps reduces the
feedback.
(I tilt the amp so it points a bit towards me, so I can hear it.)
But, since I've got my Fat Dog, I haven't had any problems.
Some kind of magic, I guess that Robbie puts in there....

-ja
Eric Stahl
2008-10-12 04:03:08 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:38:33 -0500, "John Agosta"
Post by John Agosta
Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
I've found that standing about 8 ft to the side of my amps reduces the
feedback.
(I tilt the amp so it points a bit towards me, so I can hear it.)
But, since I've got my Fat Dog, I haven't had any problems.
Some kind of magic, I guess that Robbie puts in there....
-ja
Hi John,

What model Fat Dog did you get?

Eric
John Agosta
2008-10-12 23:42:07 UTC
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Post by Eric Stahl
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:38:33 -0500, "John Agosta"
Post by John Agosta
Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
I've found that standing about 8 ft to the side of my amps reduces the
feedback.
(I tilt the amp so it points a bit towards me, so I can hear it.)
But, since I've got my Fat Dog, I haven't had any problems.
Some kind of magic, I guess that Robbie puts in there....
-ja
Hi John,
What model Fat Dog did you get?
Eric
The 4A, and really love it.
The band says it kicks, too !
Eric Stahl
2008-10-13 05:17:57 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:42:07 -0500, "John Agosta"
Post by John Agosta
Post by Eric Stahl
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:38:33 -0500, "John Agosta"
Post by John Agosta
Post by Zoran
I got ShakerMadCat harp mic. Buy it cause thought that will be less
feedback on the stage, but nothing, feedback is still make mess of my
harpin even I harpin on PA or through the Amp (on tube either).
Thanks, Zi
I've found that standing about 8 ft to the side of my amps reduces the
feedback.
(I tilt the amp so it points a bit towards me, so I can hear it.)
But, since I've got my Fat Dog, I haven't had any problems.
Some kind of magic, I guess that Robbie puts in there....
-ja
Hi John,
What model Fat Dog did you get?
Eric
The 4A, and really love it.
The band says it kicks, too !
That's one cool sounding amp. I keep thinking of selling my Vibrolux
and buying a Fat Dog 2A or 4A - and one of these days I will.

-Eric
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