Condenser phantom power

[harpo]

I have a great little mic which sounds real dirty and is very hot ( i
used to know a woman like that once but thats another story. I'd like
to rip out the insides and stick it in a bullet shell, the trouble is
that the mic is a condenser and only works with phantom
power.......does anyone know of a bit of kit that can be wired in to a
bullet shell to get around the phantom power issue. I'd like to use
the mic with a tweed amp but dont really want a sep phantom power
supply in line

[RawFoodGuy]

Post by harpo
I have a great little mic which sounds real dirty and is very hot ( i
used to know a woman like that once but thats another story. I'd like
to rip out the insides and stick it in a bullet shell, the trouble is
that the mic is a condenser and only works with phantom
power.......does anyone know of a bit of kit that can be wired in to a
bullet shell to get around the phantom power issue. I'd like to use
the mic with a tweed amp but dont really want a sep phantom power
supply in line

You can buy an ART Tube preamp cheap. Just set it on your amp, plug
the output into your amp and plug your mic into the input for the
phantom power you need. They're on sale at the moment at Musicians
Friend even cheaper than what I paid on eBay:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Studio-Mic-Preamp?sku=180581

- Robert
www.RawFoodLife.com

[Songsmith]

Bear in mind you'll have to keep the cable from the mic to the preamp as a
balanced XLR cable... this may not be possible, depending on whether your
bullet mic is high or low impedance. I'm betting it's the high-impedance
type with a two-conductor 1/4" connector like a guitar. Also note that a
condenser mic plugged into a guitar amp can and will produce giant cascades
of screaming feedback in most cases. Not saying you can't do it, but be
aware upfront of the perils involved. That said, I've recorded with a
condenser mic straight to the console with headphones, and it really does
deliver an awesome Chicago dirty sound.-------->JMS

Post by RawFoodGuy

Post by harpo
I have a great little mic which sounds real dirty and is very hot ( i
used to know a woman like that once but thats another story. I'd like
to rip out the insides and stick it in a bullet shell, the trouble is
that the mic is a condenser and only works with phantom
power.......does anyone know of a bit of kit that can be wired in to a
bullet shell to get around the phantom power issue. I'd like to use
the mic with a tweed amp but dont really want a sep phantom power
supply in line

You can buy an ART Tube preamp cheap. Just set it on your amp, plug
the output into your amp and plug your mic into the input for the
phantom power you need. They're on sale at the moment at Musicians

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Studio-Mic-Preamp?sku=180581

Post by RawFoodGuy
- Robert
www.RawFoodLife.com

[harpo]

thanks guys.
What I have is a small condenser mic but which I want to take apart
and stick the insides into an empty donor bullet shell. The current
mic uses a balanced XLR so I could keep that connection if necessary.
What I was more interested in is whether there is some piece of
electronic wizardry / mojo which I could hide in the shell of a bullet
which would do the job that the pre amp mention by Raw above would do.
ie let me plug straight into the tweed amp.

[jeffb]

Post by harpo
thanks guys.
What I have is a small condenser mic but which I want to take apart
and stick the insides into an empty donor bullet shell. The current
mic uses a balanced XLR so I could keep that connection if necessary.
What I was more interested in is whether there is some piece of
electronic wizardry / mojo which I could hide in the shell of a bullet
which would do the job that the pre amp mention by Raw above would do.
ie let me plug straight into the tweed amp.

The short answer is no there is no such piece of wizardry.

How are you planning on powering the phantom unit itself? The only mic
that I know of that is small and has onboard phantom power is the Sony
ECMMS907. Even if you gutted one for the power unit it runs on a single
AA battery that is gonna be *well* under the 48 volts your cap probably
wants to see.

Even if you do find a 48v unit small enough to fit you're gonna have to
run a power supply to it. Given THAT inescapable reality what difference
does it make if the phantom power unit is onboard the mic or not?....you
*still* have to run an extra wire into the mic be it TO the onboard
phantom power unit or FROM the external phantom power unit to the cap.

If you use the same amp all the time why not install the phantom power
in the amp rather then the mic? Much more doable. With an open back amp
it'd be easy enough to stick a phantom unit in the back with velcro so
you could take it out and use it with another amp if you ever needed to.

[Keith Adams]

You might try this. Take everything out of the condenser and put it in the
bullet. Run the bullet into the PA for phantom power then use the PA's
line out to go back into your amp?

Post by harpo
I have a great little mic which sounds real dirty and is very hot ( i
used to know a woman like that once but thats another story. I'd like
to rip out the insides and stick it in a bullet shell, the trouble is
that the mic is a condenser and only works with phantom
power.......does anyone know of a bit of kit that can be wired in to a
bullet shell to get around the phantom power issue. I'd like to use
the mic with a tweed amp but dont really want a sep phantom power
supply in line

[Skeeter]

Post by harpo
I have a great little mic which sounds real dirty and is very hot ( i
used to know a woman like that once but thats another story. I'd like
to rip out the insides and stick it in a bullet shell, the trouble is
that the mic is a condenser and only works with phantom
power.......does anyone know of a bit of kit that can be wired in to a
bullet shell to get around the phantom power issue. I'd like to use
the mic with a tweed amp but dont really want a sep phantom power
supply in line

The condenser needs over 6 volts dc to be fed up the two signal pins
of the xlr connection. I have seen (many moons ago) a setup using two
batteries to provide the dc current to a condenser mic. The batteries
were a pair of 9 volt alkalines that got the job done. Bit of wiring
to achieve this I'm sure. But it can work if you research it and will
not put up with a preamp, or di box of some kind... or running through
a PA channel with phantom power. I use a Behringer Shark for this
purpose and it adds the flexibility of a compressor, a limiter, a
feedback destroyer, and it will output either an xlr or regular 1/4"
phone plug (balanced or not).

regards,
Skeeter